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brightness_autoPeace be upon you and God's mercy and blessings.
Ayatollah Khamenei and Ayatollah Sistani (may God protect them):
Yes, it is considered masturbation, as the term 'masturbation' refers to the act of inducing the release of semen or expelling it without direct contact with the wife through touching or kissing, etc. The only exceptions to this prohibition are sexual intercourse and foreplay with the wife. What you mentioned does not constitute enjoyment with the wife, as if you did not perform this action, semen would not be released merely from talking to her; it is akin to using your hand while talking to your wife.
May you be successful in all good.
Source:
Ayatollah Khamenei (may God protect him): Hajj Rituals, Prohibitions of Ihram, Rules of Prohibitions of Ihram, Masturbation
Ayatollah Sistani (may God protect him): Official Website